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Vanguard Variorum, May 1946

10           VANGUARD VARIORUM

File Works/ This isjust for the record, account of I have already told Kidd: Was pretty sure somebody would spot that "non-Aristotelian logic" error in the Van Vogt article, but I caught it myself too late to change it. Meant to say "system of education" or something instead. As to hair-splitting -- a criticism of the article that several have made -- I'd be glad to argue with anybody who thinks I exaggerated any one of VV;'s faults. I don't think it's possible, myself, but I'm willing to be convinced.
Vanguard Variorum/ Crack inhere by Judy, "Honestly, now was it worth all that trouble?" which has undoubtedly been flung around before. I would like to do my bit to keep it from being flung again. This is a natural enough reaction to a thing that one would not have taken the trouble to do oneself, but it leads only to bloodshed. Of course the damned thing was worth all that trouble, to the guy who did it; otherwise he wouldn't have done it. Q. E. D.
On the 7th Mailing
FELLOW H'S:
Joe's Jottings/ Small, but pleasant. Nod to "A Group of Quatrains".
Agenbite/ Big and interesting. Comments will be found mainly in the V section, but rightly interpreted, this is a compliment of sorts. Finally got the "Old Lyric", after having my nose rubbed in it several times. Nice Cerifs, especially the letters. Do you mean "Serifs", Doc?
Renascence/ Even heavier going than usual, but worth it for the most part.
Vanguard Amateur/ Poll results interesting,but probably not very meaningful. Filthy with money, aren't we? Hi, Widner.
FELLOW V'S:
Agenbite/  "Institutions have a depressing habit of continuing to exist long after they have ceased to fulfill anything liketheir function, as they proclaim it to be, and the University, as described in 'Decline and Fall'isbut one of a list." Granted. "To pile up the evidence and then conclude on the basis of it: 'The University is done for' is a neat bit of wishful thinking . . ." Huh? Outmoded institutions continue to exist only until the next wave of reform tears them down; admittedly, this usually takes a long time. Surely you didn't infer that we were all going to wake up tomorrow morning and find the Universities vanished like the dew, Doc? . . . Speaking of semantics, you have rather violently distorted the meaning of Blish's "Outside this consummately simple equation, no twentieth-century political discussion has meaning," by substituting "political force" for "political discussion". . . . The distinction between "implies" and "involves" is a nice one. According to Webster, the two words are sometimes interchangeable, and I have Blish's assurance that in this case, such was his intent. I think it is fairly clear from the sentence structure that it was. . . .Afraid your conversion isnot complete, Doc: semantics is not the same thing as symbolic logic. . . . Disagreement, like you say, is hardly sufficient grounds for refusing to print dunkelbergers. Good taste, however? Or our much-discussed standards of quality? . . . Hope you were kidding with "We favor the cold-blooded artist, prepared to comprehend and cope with the nawsty old world on its own ground." Like Tom Benton, for instance, or Max Steiner, or Phil Wylie? If you're serious, you can have them. . . .Wish you would stop popping in and out of the

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10 VANGUARD VARIORUM File Works/ This isjust for the record, account of I have already told Kidd: Was pretty sure somebody would spot that "non-Aristotelian logic" error in the Van Vogt article, but I caught it myself too late to change it. Meant to say "system of education" or something instead. As to hair-splitting -- a criticism of the article that several have made -- I'd be glad to argue with anybody who thinks I exaggerated any one of VV;'s faults. I don't think it's possible, myself, but I'm willing to be convinced. Vanguard Variorum/ Crack inhere by Judy, "Honestly, now was it worth all that trouble?" which has undoubtedly been flung around before. I would like to do my bit to keep it from being flung again. This is a natural enough reaction to a thing that one would not have taken the trouble to do oneself, but it leads only to bloodshed. Of course the damned thing was worth all that trouble, to the guy who did it; otherwise he wouldn't have done it. Q. E. D. On the 7th Mailing FELLOW H'S: Joe's Jottings/ Small, but pleasant. Nod to "A Group of Quatrains". Agenbite/ Big and interesting. Comments will be found mainly in the V section, but rightly interpreted, this is a compliment of sorts. Finally got the "Old Lyric", after having my nose rubbed in it several times. Nice Cerifs, especially the letters. Do you mean "Serifs", Doc? Renascence/ Even heavier going than usual, but worth it for the most part. Vanguard Amateur/ Poll results interesting,but probably not very meaningful. Filthy with money, aren't we? Hi, Widner. FELLOW V'S: Agenbite/ "Institutions have a depressing habit of continuing to exist long after they have ceased to fulfill anything liketheir function, as they proclaim it to be, and the University, as described in 'Decline and Fall'isbut one of a list." Granted. "To pile up the evidence and then conclude on the basis of it: 'The University is done for' is a neat bit of wishful thinking . . ." Huh? Outmoded institutions continue to exist only until the next wave of reform tears them down; admittedly, this usually takes a long time. Surely you didn't infer that we were all going to wake up tomorrow morning and find the Universities vanished like the dew, Doc? . . . Speaking of semantics, you have rather violently distorted the meaning of Blish's "Outside this consummately simple equation, no twentieth-century political discussion has meaning," by substituting "political force" for "political discussion". . . . The distinction between "implies" and "involves" is a nice one. According to Webster, the two words are sometimes interchangeable, and I have Blish's assurance that in this case, such was his intent. I think it is fairly clear from the sentence structure that it was. . . .Afraid your conversion isnot complete, Doc: semantics is not the same thing as symbolic logic. . . . Disagreement, like you say, is hardly sufficient grounds for refusing to print dunkelbergers. Good taste, however? Or our much-discussed standards of quality? . . . Hope you were kidding with "We favor the cold-blooded artist, prepared to comprehend and cope with the nawsty old world on its own ground." Like Tom Benton, for instance, or Max Steiner, or Phil Wylie? If you're serious, you can have them. . . .Wish you would stop popping in and out of the